Off and on we've talked about various 3rd party apps that might be an option
for vector illustration. Most aren't really at the same level as any Adobe
product, and I doubt this one is, either, but thought I'd add it to the mix:

http://software.viva.de/english/prod...aDesigner/354/

It's not open source, but is free.

Has anyone played with it?

-Darrel

> Off and on we've talked about various 3rd party apps that might be an option
> for vector illustration. Most aren't really at the same level as any Adobe
> product, and I doubt this one is, either, but thought I'd add it to the mix:
>
> http://software.viva.de/english/prod...aDesigner/354/

LOL - 7 convincing reasons are:

1. For all platforms
2. Unique licencing model
3. International use
4. Wide user spectrum
5. Compatibility
6. Long tradition
7. Complete supplier VIVA

Where is the design?

Jukka

Their website doesn't show anything about designs made with VivaDesigner, that's strange.

Yes, "convincing reasons" are really funny and frivolous.
After this very informative list I was compelled to see what is so convincing
and I have download it. No, I didn't install it because I saw in datasheet that
this is no alternative to Freehand but to Quark and InDesign. It seems that it
is not so rudimentary application like the "convincing reasons" reveal. Still,
this is not for us.

But Darrel, if you want decent application that is very likely to be soon
something comparable to Freehand that is XaraXtreme. It's the only good
alternative I found among many vector applications I've tried, it is amazingly
fast with realtime effects and has multipage.

I was just going to mention Xara - and Corel does cross my mind.

[q]Originally posted by: Bill Wood
I was just going to mention Xara - and Corel does cross my mind.[/q]

Neither of which are currently Mac Os X compatible if thats a requirement.
Corel acutally is not as bad as people may think. It now feels very much like
an art tool. I bought version 12 when Corel offered a $99 sidegrade path from
Freehand and I use it. My only beef with it besides Mac OS X compatibility (I
wanna Mac for my next computer) is the multipages are all the same size. I
wonder if people realize just how handy Freehand approach to pages and
multipages are? I love to create a web look, and different banner ad sizes all
in the same file. As one example. I also love the object approach to Freehand
pages. Sigh..

Cheers,
Jeremy

> My only beef with it ...is the multipages are all the same size.

You need to look closer.

JET

[q]Originally posted by: JETLT
> My only beef with it ...is the multipages are all the same size.

You need to look closer.

JET[/q]

Hehehe Jet you have inspired me to look a bit harder. And after digging it
seems Corel can in fact have different pages sizes and orientations Very
handly! Its not as friendly to use as Freehand, but you go to the document
settings and enable the resize page only option and that seems to do it.

Now if only Corel would offer the Mac version of Corel Draw back this could be
a serious option to the Adobe toolset.

I have to admit however that I have begun "project trying illustrator" again
to see if Illustrator and I can get along. All previous attempts at "project
trying illustrator" have met with utter failure. Sigh...

Cheers,

> you go to the document settings and enable the resize page only option and that seems to do it.

You get page size and orientation options in a dialog whenever you select Insert Page.

JET