On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:04:43 +0000 (UTC), "JoeyD1978"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

>This article explains everything quite well:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...fireworks.html
>
> Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something you
>use *instead* of Photoshop.

I disagree completely. They are two very different applications, and
I use them both - for very different purposes.

Win
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Wild Rose Websites www.wildrosewebsites.com
windayNOSPAM@wildrosewebsites.com

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:04:43 +0000 (UTC), "JoeyD1978"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

>This article explains everything quite well:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...fireworks.html
>
> Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something you
>use *instead* of Photoshop.

I disagree completely. They are two very different applications, and
I use them both - for very different purposes.

Win
--
Win Day
Wild Rose Websites www.wildrosewebsites.com
windayNOSPAM@wildrosewebsites.com

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:04:43 +0000 (UTC), "JoeyD1978"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

>This article explains everything quite well:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...fireworks.html
>
> Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something you
>use *instead* of Photoshop.

I disagree completely. They are two very different applications, and
I use them both - for very different purposes.

Win
--
Win Day
Wild Rose Websites www.wildrosewebsites.com
windayNOSPAM@wildrosewebsites.com

> Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something
> you
> use *instead* of Photoshop.

Not me. I use both. Have done for years.

--
Regards

John Waller

> Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something
> you
> use *instead* of Photoshop.

Not me. I use both. Have done for years.

--
Regards

John Waller

[q]Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
I do all of my masking and photo work in Photoshop. Both applications have
been a part of my workflow for over ten years. But if I had to I could do that
photo work in Fireworks too, although not as quickly and efficiently.[/q]
Hmm... are you sure? I've been doing advanced photomanips and other raster work
in Fireworks for years, and I found it quick and efficient. Universal plugins
that can be used both in PS and FW greatly enhance the raster-editing
capabilities of Fireworks (AlienSkin stuff, for example).

Joe, I think that your first advice was spot-on. I practically replaced
Photoshop with Fireworks and it works great, regardless of whether it's about
photos, webdesign, UI or animation. :-)


SiamJai
~~~~
http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks Tutorials

[q]Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
I do all of my masking and photo work in Photoshop. Both applications have
been a part of my workflow for over ten years. But if I had to I could do that
photo work in Fireworks too, although not as quickly and efficiently.[/q]
Hmm... are you sure? I've been doing advanced photomanips and other raster work
in Fireworks for years, and I found it quick and efficient. Universal plugins
that can be used both in PS and FW greatly enhance the raster-editing
capabilities of Fireworks (AlienSkin stuff, for example).

Joe, I think that your first advice was spot-on. I practically replaced
Photoshop with Fireworks and it works great, regardless of whether it's about
photos, webdesign, UI or animation. :-)


SiamJai
~~~~
http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks Tutorials

[q]Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
I do all of my masking and photo work in Photoshop. Both applications have
been a part of my workflow for over ten years. But if I had to I could do that
photo work in Fireworks too, although not as quickly and efficiently.[/q]
Hmm... are you sure? I've been doing advanced photomanips and other raster work
in Fireworks for years, and I found it quick and efficient. Universal plugins
that can be used both in PS and FW greatly enhance the raster-editing
capabilities of Fireworks (AlienSkin stuff, for example).

Joe, I think that your first advice was spot-on. I practically replaced
Photoshop with Fireworks and it works great, regardless of whether it's about
photos, webdesign, UI or animation. :-)


SiamJai
~~~~
http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks Tutorials

[q]Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
This article explains everything quite well:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...fireworks.html

Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something you
use *instead* of Photoshop.

__________________________________________________

Visit my http://joedasilva.com/blog/ for tutorials and workflow techniques.
[/q]


The reason I marked Joey's post as "right on" as an answer to my post was the
article he cited (link included above). It provides the necessary information
to determine how Fireworks can fit into your work flow. As for whether or not I
(or YOU) will use it, it's apparently a personal-choice decision ... hence the
number of contradictory posts.

I would also disagree with the assertion that Firewoks can replace Photoshop.
My basis for that statement is my initial experience with the resolution of
graphics coming out of Fireworks. Why create graphics at low resolution when
you could have a print project in the future that needs 300 dpi graphics.. I
would prefer to create my graphics in CorelDRAW or Illustrator and do photo
work in Photoshop, scaling the work down and using the SAVE TO WEB export
filter which I've tweaked to get very good results. That way, when projects
requiring high-resolution graphics come up, I don't have to re-invent the
wheel, so to speak. I don't see that Fireworks can save as or export to a
scalable EPS graphic.

Since my intial post, I've installed Fireworks and tried a couple of things. I
went to Joey's blog (cited above) and tried the lessons. While I would have
liked to have seen these blogs take me all the way through integration with
Dreamweaver. I found them informative. Big Kudos to Joey for pointing me (and
other readers of the blog) to two online resources for free/affordable type and
stock photos!

In the absence of instruction for integrating these graphics into a
Dreamweaver design, I tried exporting the graphics at their partially finished
state. The gradient band that he has employed in the header looks terrible
coming out of Fireworks, as does the drop shadow on the mug.

I tried several export options for exporting from Fireworks (export graphics
only, css layers, html and images, and something about an mxml file which I
couldn't seem to open with any application on my computer!). They all come out
with banding and the drop looks weird to me. Compare these to exports from
Photoshop ...

http://admarkcom.com/comparison.html

Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up on Fireworks. In fact, I'm going to
pursue additional online tutorials to get the best idea of what I can do with
this tool. However, if it is just a tool in which to make mock-ups which I can
import into Dreamweaver and "trace" over to get the disired results, I won't
use it. Yes, it can be a bit time-consuming to create a vector image in
CorelDRAW, export it as an EPS, open it in Photoshop and SAVE TO WEB, but I
have total control to size it, resize it, etc. and seem to have better control
over what the web-based GIF or JPG will look like.

[q]Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
This article explains everything quite well:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...fireworks.html

Fireworks isn't something you use in addition to Photoshop, it's something you
use *instead* of Photoshop.

__________________________________________________

Visit my http://joedasilva.com/blog/ for tutorials and workflow techniques.
[/q]


The reason I marked Joey's post as "right on" as an answer to my post was the
article he cited (link included above). It provides the necessary information
to determine how Fireworks can fit into your work flow. As for whether or not I
(or YOU) will use it, it's apparently a personal-choice decision ... hence the
number of contradictory posts.

I would also disagree with the assertion that Firewoks can replace Photoshop.
My basis for that statement is my initial experience with the resolution of
graphics coming out of Fireworks. Why create graphics at low resolution when
you could have a print project in the future that needs 300 dpi graphics.. I
would prefer to create my graphics in CorelDRAW or Illustrator and do photo
work in Photoshop, scaling the work down and using the SAVE TO WEB export
filter which I've tweaked to get very good results. That way, when projects
requiring high-resolution graphics come up, I don't have to re-invent the
wheel, so to speak. I don't see that Fireworks can save as or export to a
scalable EPS graphic.

Since my intial post, I've installed Fireworks and tried a couple of things. I
went to Joey's blog (cited above) and tried the lessons. While I would have
liked to have seen these blogs take me all the way through integration with
Dreamweaver. I found them informative. Big Kudos to Joey for pointing me (and
other readers of the blog) to two online resources for free/affordable type and
stock photos!

In the absence of instruction for integrating these graphics into a
Dreamweaver design, I tried exporting the graphics at their partially finished
state. The gradient band that he has employed in the header looks terrible
coming out of Fireworks, as does the drop shadow on the mug.

I tried several export options for exporting from Fireworks (export graphics
only, css layers, html and images, and something about an mxml file which I
couldn't seem to open with any application on my computer!). They all come out
with banding and the drop looks weird to me. Compare these to exports from
Photoshop ...

http://admarkcom.com/comparison.html

Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up on Fireworks. In fact, I'm going to
pursue additional online tutorials to get the best idea of what I can do with
this tool. However, if it is just a tool in which to make mock-ups which I can
import into Dreamweaver and "trace" over to get the disired results, I won't
use it. Yes, it can be a bit time-consuming to create a vector image in
CorelDRAW, export it as an EPS, open it in Photoshop and SAVE TO WEB, but I
have total control to size it, resize it, etc. and seem to have better control
over what the web-based GIF or JPG will look like.