Hi Dean

Well, I trully hope that you are correct that DIrector has still a lot to
offer. I think the reason that I am starting to loose faith is that I see that
IDrector is taking a wrong path (3D shockwave) where things are extremely wild.
Unless as you say adobe buys some technology and integrate some new and
revoluationary in Director, the product will die in that area simply becuase it
can not stand the competition.

On the other hand Adobe currently has the Know-how to make Director one of the
best application development platforms for both online and offline media. I am
currently using VB.NET in combination with Director and the similarities are
massive. If adobe had the wisdom to keep updating the product regularly,
Director would have now been far more powerfull than VB. As I understand even
your survey show that the majority of people use Director for application
development and NOT 3D showckwave content. Of course I am not saying that adobe
should delete the 3d abilities of Director, all I am saying is that the focus
should be more to expand the application development side and less on the 3d
side. I don't like the 3D engine of Director as I consider it inferior in
contrast to other engines (e.g., OGRE 3D), but since it is there, it evolution
should continoue but only to aid application development and not to overcome
the application development

But whatever happens one thing is for sure, I have been using Director for a
very long time and the community has offered its help to my work several times.
I would hate to see the product dead. Adobe Weak UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOPING_Richard, I will pass answering to your post in detail because:

1) It is offensive and abusive towards me. Posts that refer to other members
personally (like"You will probably
be complaining about these products in no time"), are highly offensive and
abusine and are not allowed in ANY forum. However, as I am respecting this
community and the help that I have received all these years too much I will not
report you to the moderators.

2) If you believe that my posts are irretating you could post back asking me
nicely to stop becuase I am off track. By attacking me in this manner will lead
no where.

3) Perhaps you should re-read my posts becuase, I never complained about
anything.Director is fine as it is (apart from the fact that OS xtra doesn' t
support any newer versions of director). All I am keep saying is that in MY
point of view, Director is on the wrong track and if it will continoue like
this, it will eventually die. If you find this irritating then I TRULY feel
sorry for you, as you seem to ingnore the basic principle that EVERY forum on
the WWW has been built upon, Freedom to express your point of view.

3) The only reason that I mentioned I am starting using other platforms like
VB.NET and I am learning really fast is to show that Director can still be
considered a serious development platform and IF Macromedia/Adobe have given
the product the value that it deserved, it would have been far more powerfull
now. Director is still good, but not that good to keep its users happy. Unless
you were living in a cave since March 2008, you must know that several people
are pushing Adobe for a Director 12, worth of its old reputation. These people
are not willing to see their favourite product dead, and are definetely not
happy with what Director is currently good at and use it for that. They want
something much more, simply becuase the product can offer it.

You may continue but I consider the matter closed.

Hello wgb14,
my post is my opinion about the way you vent your opinion. Type your
name in google groups, together with macromedia.director.basics, and
see what comes up from this newsgroup. It is an unmoderated newsgroup.

It is not a question, so no need to reply.

Forgive me the strong wording, but it really made me angry.
(Still does BTW).

There are millions of Director developers, and we all are only ONE of
them. Our personal opinions only count for that, that 1 milionth of an
opinion.

If Director would die, its not a real problem. It means there is
something better than Director.
We move on.

Simple. Not?

Regards,
Richard.

<<Forgive me the strong wording, but it really made me angry.>>

Several people and things in this forum make me angry too. However I am always
trying to be polite and have an open mind to other peoples opinions. Most
importantly I am always trying no matter how angry I am, not to insult others.
I could have easily started a fight with you, using even stronger words than
yours. But I din't simply becuase the result would have been nothing else
rather than a waste of time for BOTH of us.

In any way I agree that I am just one, but other people seem to agree with me
as well. Unless I am reading Dean's statistics wrong, you will see that other
people use DIrector the same way as I do, solely for the purpose of application
development. This is how i started the discussion, with the aim to see if other
people think the same way I do. I am sorry if it took a wrong turn somewhere,
but it was difentely not my intention.


About Director dying, yes OK it will be sad. At my age is difficult to learn
new things, but I guess you are right something new will come up, so no big
deal really!!!!!!!!!!!

wgb,

but do you understand what I tried to say?

I did read all your posts again before writing my post.
There is no point in bringing this whole thing up YET AGAIN, it has
been discussed over and over.
Your posts contain "a few" contradictions. And the tone is also not so
friendly as you present it now.


Richard

A request for Dean: Dean will your survey have any kind of impact to the
development/marketing of the next version of Director? Or did you gather this
data for personal use and Adobe has nothing to do with it?

Dean is not employed by Adobe. They will surely see the results -
whether this will change their approach to anything Director-related
remains to be seen. If history is anything to go by, then ...

[q]Originally posted by: [b]Richard

> "necromanthus" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> Because Web3D is the future.

I disagree.[/q]

Richard,

There is no "2D future" for Adobe Director.
For various reasons.
The main question is if the "3D future" is still available ...

keep up the great work there.
cheers

Sean Wilson wrote:

> Dean is not employed by Adobe. They will surely see the results -
> whether this will change their approach to anything Director-related
> remains to be seen. If history is anything to go by, then ...

Yes, I am not am employee of Adobe, only a strong advocate for Director
who has developed good relationships in the Adobe product development
team. And I do have their respect. They have already shown interest in
the results and I've talked briefly about some of my findings. I hope
that the data I collate from this survey will have some impact.

regards
Dean

Director Next Roadmap Survey
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.co...rectorRoadmap/

Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.com/
http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

Just a note on the emotions that run through this forum. The Director
community is unlike any other that I've been involved with. There are people
here that are passionate about the product, supportive of others, kind,
people I now call my friends. Of course many are frustrated, angry bitter,
pessimistic, resentful. And this is all very understandable. Macromedia did
not do justice to the product and now Adobe haven't proved they can bring
Director up to current standards and expectations.

When reading rants or disagreements this forum, I can appreciate each the
person has reasons for the views. It's not worth getting upset about or
getting into a fight over them. I just enjoy the sprit of the forum, state
the way I see things, and don't try to put down anything others raise or try
change people's thinking.

regards
Dean

Director Next Roadmap Survey
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.co...rectorRoadmap/

Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.com/
http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au