[q]Originally posted by: wgb14
I am not sure why Adobe is trying to market the product as a web 3d creation
tool.[/q]

Because Web3D is the future.
Unfortunately, the SW3D asset is 7 years old ...

Because Web3D is the future.

IF you mean that Web 3D is the future of the Web itself, I trully don't think
so. Web 3D will be a part of the web but defintely not the web iteself. In my
opinion the future of web is what Google is trying to make it.A fully networked
OS system with us as the clients. Something like the OS of our days but far
more complex and mutlitasking. Web 3D applications will be just one of the many
complex network applications that we will be able to run in the enviroment.
Then, multi--user 3D enviroments like Second-Life has already taken much of the
market and more advanced engines are coming out soon (See Star Trek Online).
These enviroments make the creation of 3D worlds, with minimal programming. Do
you really believe that Director can compete these? I think unless Adobe
realizes that Director belongs to the application development world, and not in
the 3D world, the product will die.

1) Web is multiuser by default.
2) "multi--user 3D enviroments" do not exist.
3) more advanced 3D engines than SW3D are available for many years ago, but
that doesn't mean anything
because none of them has a popular plugin.
4) Director CANNOT belong to the application development world anymore,
because Flash (the best and the most popular 2D multimedia environment) became
very powerful and has no competitors at all on this market.
5) 3D is the future of everything (including standalone apps and even OS).
Time will tell ...

You may continue, but I'm going to close this subject.

1) Web is multiuser by default.

I never said otherwise

2) "multi--user 3D enviroments" do not exist

By multiuser I mean enviroments that allow simultaneous access and interaction
between different users. Is that' the defintion of multi-user enviroments? Or
do you perhaps mean something else?

3) Lets assume that Adobe decides to make the flash player one with shockwave.
You will propably say that given the popularity of flash shockwave will become
a massive hit in the market correct? Well, I don't really think so, People will
continoue using second life, Star Trek online (when it will come out) and all
the other platforms, over shockwave content simply becuase their degree of user
acceptance is already very high (not mentioning of course, the
usability-accesibility of the technology itself). In my opinion popularity is
not the definitive factor for technology acceptance.

4) I must disagree again, Director has to belong to the application
development world as it is for what it was designed intially for. In my opinion
Flash is simply a vector animation program that has taken too many fo
Director's features over the years to become what it is today. But even now
Flash is best known for one thing Flash Web Pages and not 2D application
development. I have seen very very few applications developmented in Flash.
Most of this market seems to be again dominated by Microsoft and .NET. So it is
rather a bold statement that Flash has no competitors in the area of 2D
application development

5) Even current 3D applications are actually 2D for the user (you view them
through a 2D monitor). Real 3D is perhaps not so far in the future, but even
then, I believe it will be a choice for certain applications only. Unless
Microsoft will come up with revolutionary new principles for Interface design I
can not imagien myselef typing/speaking my word documents in a 3D enviroment.
Is there really any point to it?

Well here is another example of Director being a back burner, brushed under the
carpet for Adobe....

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/

Their new developers network doesn't even include Director. You won't find
any links to Director's developer section.
I managed to get to the director's section:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/director/
Through clicking on it from the Director's product page. But once you're
there. And you decide to say browse You won't be able to find your way back.

Notice the Home / Developer Connection / Director Developer Center / drill
down menu at the top.
Click on the Developer Connection and bam. Director is gone. It's not
listed in the Developer Resources or Products. Funny huh? Adobe AIR seems
to get a little link there.......

Director is a dying product. Adobe is obviously not trying to expand on the
market base or developer base for Director.

Online market is growing. Offline market is NOT. Sure. Some may still use it
offline, but in the end, its still a dying product.

Adobe has no experience in 3d, never has and never will. All the company's
attemtps in the 3d arena failed completely. I think the only reason they
upgrated Director is becuase someone in the company thought that it was OK to
try again. But, director as a product cannot compete with other far more
advanced engines in the market. Even if Adobe decides to integrate Flash with
shockwave, failure will be again spectacular. Adobe should focus on what it
does best, 2D applications and nothing more. Director should be part of this 2d
arena (online or offline). But even in that area Adobe has another product,
Flex. Hence, my opinion is that Director is indeed a dying product and the
sooner we realise it the better. I have already started learning VB.NET and i
am thinking to give flash a try as well.

ronnickname wrote:

> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
> Their new developers network doesn't even include Director. You won't find
> any links to Director's developer section.

That may just a usability thing. If you click on the title PRODUCTS, it expands
into an alphabetical list of products. D-H has Director at the top. Director is not
a high profile Adobe product so won't be in the 'main' products list.

You can find your way back by clicking the 'Developer Connection' in the 'Home /
Developer Connection /' breadcrumb area.

> Director is a dying product. Adobe is obviously not trying to expand on the
> market base or developer base for Director.

For many people, Director is a strong and valuable tool that we'd like to see
rejuvenated. The point of my survey is to get the views and expectations of users
and encourage Adobe to respond to what the community wants.

regards
Dean

Director Next Roadmap Survey
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.co...rectorRoadmap/

Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.com/
http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

wgb14 wrote:

> Hence, my opinion is that Director is indeed a dying product and the
> sooner we realise it the better. I have already started learning VB.NET and i
> am thinking to give flash a try as well.

As mentioned in my above post, I think Director still has a lot to offer.

As to the statement that Adobe has no 3D experience so should not consider
developing it... well, Adobe have shown an interest in 3D in other products
(Photoshop, Acrobat)
and
Adobe's pattern of growth in to new markets is through buying other companies and
expanding on what they can do. For example - Adobe bought Aldus (Pagemaker) to get
into the desktop publishing industry. They bought their video tools. Adobe Audition
use to be Cool Edit Pro. Now they have Macromedia products. I see it is only a
matter of time until Adobe have their own 3D modeling tool. It's the only thing
they're missing in the digital media area.

regards
Dean

Director Next Roadmap Survey
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.co...rectorRoadmap/

Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
http://www.deansdirectortutorials.com/
http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

"wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Just completed the survey. Goot attemt and I hope that Adobe will
> listen. From
> your data it is clear that the major use of Director is Desktop
> development. I
> am not sure why Adobe is trying to market the product as a web 3d
> creation
> tool. I am sorry to say but I have already started using VB.NET in
> combination
> with Director as I am starting to believe that Director will die.
> Thank god
> that VB.NET is very similar to Director Lingo dot syntax and I am
> learnign
> really fast. Unless, Adobe realises that they need to get Director
> back on
> track as a desktop/rich internet application development tool, this
> is the last
> project that I am doing with director.
>

Hi.
Let me be blunt here.

I think you are one of the people that have too limited a view on what
software and more specific: Director, is about.
If you think Adobe will serve YOUR personal needs, then I am sorry for
you.

If other software serves you better, then go ahead and use it. It is
what it is there for.
Director is probably not the "one cure for everything" you somehow
started to believe it was.
How you could possibly arrive there is beyond me to be honest.

Director is "just another product" with it's own strengths and
weaknesses. It can do a lot, but is not a champ in one single field.
It has always been like this, and will probably not change (much).

Instead of complaining about all the things you miss or want in
Director, and posting the same things in here over and over again, why
not be happy with what it is good at, and use it for that? Director is
a general purpose multimedia and programming environment.

It will personally save me (and many other people here) a lot of
irritation of having to read your complaining time and time again.
Go ahead, use Flash. Go ahead, use VB. Go ahead, use C#. Get some
awesome 3-D worldwide accepted online gaming platform. If you really
believe it suits you better, by all means go ahead. You will probably
be complaining about these products in no time.

How could you possibly believe Director should be everything YOU ever
need?

Regards,
Richard.

"necromanthus" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> [q]Originally posted by: wgb14
> I am not sure why Adobe is trying to market the product as a web 3d
> creation
> tool.[/q]
>
> Because Web3D is the future.

I disagree.

Richard